Friday, November 1, 2013


I have no time to play EVE right now but I certainly have time to read and talk about it. Something I've wanted to do for a while is talk about the other blogs I read and why I read them. A blog post about bloggers; how very meta! I'll probably do a few more like this as I think of them.

Gevlon Goblin, for those of you who have never heard of him, has a blog at I've been reading his blog for a long time, back from my WoW days. I initially started reading it when I went on a quest to find blogs about making money on the auction house. He had some pretty good ideas about how the markets worked and I used some of his techniques to run my glyph business that made me quite a bit of money with very little effort.

Probably because of his interest in in-game economies, he stopped playing WoW and started playing EVE. This is a reasonable decision for anyone who is interested in seeing a living, breathing "fake" economy in action. I didn't start playing EVE until after he switched but his blog probably was a small reason why I started playing EVE as well (another blogger who influenced my decision to play EVE was Wilhelm from The Ancient Gaming Noob.)

The comments on his blog are some of my favorite to read, mainly because the people who comment on his posts vehemently disagree with amost everything he writes. This is mainly because of Gevlon's "I'm always right and everyone else is wrong" attitude. People don't like to be called stupid (or "morons and slackers") so they're certainly going to argue with people who do so on a regular basis. You can tell when he writes something that makes sense or isn't very controversial because those posts rarely have many comments.
A big point of contention between Gevlon and his critics is his use of ISK efficiency as an end-all-be-all metric to determine how good someone is at PVP. He has spent a lot of time suicide ganking miners in highsec using catalysts so his efficiency is pretty high. He likes to compare his KB stats to those of huge corporations saying "I'm just as good as them, look at all the ISK I've destroyed!" He mocks people who look for "good fights" despite never having engaged in any himself. He finds the idea of solo frigate-on-frigate combat stupid. His latest project is a corporation where people solo gank (or dual box gank) miners and then attempt to teach the miners afterwards the ways they could've prevented being ganked. Every day the footnotes of his post contain "anti tears" from miners who said, "Thank you for killing me! Now I know I should tank my mining ship!"

Personally, I don't agree with a lot of what he says. One of his criticisms is people who play games "for fun" and he says since fun isn't a measurable metric, he doesn't use it to rate activities. Not taking having fun in consideration for people who are playing a game sounds pretty stupid to me. What's the point of playing a game if you're not having fun? Take high-end raiding in WoW for an example. The top guilds in the world spend a lot of time working and practicing at trying to get first kills in dungeons. They probably spend a lot more time preparing and practicing for raiding that a lot of people spend at their actual jobs where they get paid actual money. However, why do they do it? It's because they find the activity fun. If they didn't, they would quit and go do something else. In my limited hardcore raiding in WoW, I was having fun, even if it was frustrating or a lot of work. If I didn't have fun doing it, I wouldn't have done it in the first place.

Check his blog out if you're looking for something to put you in a confrontational mood.


  1. What's the point of playing a game if you're not having fun?
    This is why you don't take fun into the equation, everyone that plays should do this for fun. Fun that isn't measurable or can be expressed in an objective way.

    So we look for other metrics as well. Gevlon looks at isk ratios, hourly profit, kb efficiency etc. Those are all valid metrics. The only discussion is on what priority or weight these metrics should carry.

  2. I understand that "fun" isn't really a measurable metric and I'm not saying that it should be one. "Fun" is so different to different people, it's impossible to quantify. I would hope Gevlon is having fun doing what it is he does.

    However, you can say, "Look at my ISK ratios! I'm a very efficient killer!" and be right. But it's hard to say, "Look at my ISK ratios! I'm a better PVPer than everyone in GSF!" and have everyone agree with you. If that's how he thinks, that's all fine and dandy, but he shouldn't be surprised when so many people argue that he's wrong.

    1. If both Goons and Gevlon could agree that isk ratios are the best way to determine who is best in pvp then it there wouldn't be much of a discussion. But Gevlon focuses on one criterium and excels at that. Goons focus on several areas and deliver above average for those.

      Mynna can compete with Gevlon in market pvp.
      Some SIGs could measure up to Gevlon standards in ganking.
      Other goons supply numbers of F1 grunts to take and hold sovereignty.
      Added up and divided by all their members they can't compete with the best in any single field. Their strength is that they have the numbers to do them all.

      Goons wont agree with Gevlon unless Gevlon declares goons superior to himself. And even then Goons might argue just they are 'bad at eve' just for the sake of it.

    2. If there's one thing I can't see Gevlon doing, it's saying that the Goons are better than him at anything. I could totally see the Goons coming out and saying that Gevlon was better than them though, however it would be ironically and also they'd have to know who Gevlon is and even care who he is.